Sir Alf 10:40 Thu Aug 28
"Deeply Elitist UK locks out diversity"
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28953881
Well FMOB, it took an organisation decades to realise this? Finally we get a report and article published about the big "white elephant" reasonably intelligent people (most of us hopefully) have known most of their lives. One upside of the "Left leaning" BBC.
Democracy in the UK my arse ! :)
Will anything happen? Nope. Establishment, political classes, corporate owners all part of a club we ain't and will never be part of. Nothing will change that will affect the disproportionate distribution of wealth.
Apologies for spamming this forum with this thread. Please indulge me. It helps with me therapy to share this sort of thing because although I am resigned to the facade called democracy. it still "grinds my gears" after all these years. But the media (90% of journos from middle class/wealthy backgrounds and private schools) are part of it so nothing will ever change.
Thanks for listening to a rambling, old, senile twat :-(
*** Throws pitchfork into dustbin ***
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RBshorty
8:52 Sun Aug 31
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As Paul Weller said.(Before he turned gay.)
"What chance have you got against a tie and crest."?
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Hammer and Pickle
8:43 Sun Aug 31
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"We don't need the EU."
Certainly not as a anachronistic bureaucracy and subsidy machine for rich, lazy farmers - nobody does. But I would suggest that the UK does want a Europe of dynamic, stable and prosperous free markets supported by efficient institutions. There are nothing but pluses here.
What is more, historically the UK has never been able to isolate itself from a the effects of a conflict-ridden, sick Europe, nor could it be expected to do so in the future. Isolation from Europe is an illusion, so if you can't make it go away, you might as well seek to gain from being involved in the reality.
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mashed in maryland
8:22 Sun Aug 31
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Hammer and Pickle 10:28 Sun Aug 31
We have it great in the UK when it comes to work/reward ratios and diversity.
And the EU is proper "old boys network" and full of beurocracy.
We don't need the EU.
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mashed in maryland
8:22 Sun Aug 31
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Hammer and Pickle 10:28 Sun Aug 31
We have it great in the UK when it comes to work/reward ratios and diversity.
And the EU is proper "old boys network" and full of beurocracy.
We don't need the EU.
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peroni
10:31 Sun Aug 31
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"Deeply Elitist UK locks out diversity"
Is diversity good then?
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Hammer and Pickle
10:28 Sun Aug 31
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mashed in maryland 7:28 Sun Aug 31
Spot on.
That's largely because your institutions in the UK, by and large, do what they are designed to do for anyone who needs them.
In most of the world, those same institutions are there to keep the elite in power and the rest of society on its knees, and that includes Russia and even large swathes of south and central Europe. There, only the EU, and the much maligned strong Euro is slowly eroding this old monolith, but that means loads of bureaucrats losing their junket and people doing real work for real money.
You have it relatively good in UK, believe it or not.
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orwells tragedy
10:14 Sun Aug 31
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Sven Roeder 8:00 Sun Aug 31
The irony of the agenda driven BBC
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Mex Martillo
8:48 Sun Aug 31
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The whole of Europe is the same.
You have to go to the Americas to escape it, USA, Canada, Mexico, in those countries it is easier to get rewarded for your talent.
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Texas Iron
8:46 Sun Aug 31
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blocked off too I'm sure it's a lot better than it was in the past...where it was down to The Old School tie etc...
In my day...grammar schools...university scholarships based on merit ...and the technology revolution etc...opened up many doors and careers previously closed to working class folks...
Has it got worse in recent years...
What's wrong with Being Clever and Working hard as a route to success ???
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mashed in maryland
8:17 Sun Aug 31
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I'm not disagreeing with any of that.
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cholo
8:06 Sun Aug 31
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Mashed
That is true of course, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for more equality. A bit like a football team that has surprised everyone by finishing mid table in the premier league, if you don't invest but instead rest on your laurels you'll fall behind the next season.
To a few others on here, just because you've been to Eton, Oxford or Cambridge, that doesn't mean you are necessarily the most suitable or even qualified for certain jobs, it could mean you're just more well connected and actually more unsuitable, then what you lack is different life experiences and therefore a variety of ideas. That is what I take the "locks out diversity" in the title to mean, it's not necessarily about ethnicity.
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Sven Roeder
8:00 Sun Aug 31
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The media should get on to this.
Maybe the BBC could get one of their Dimbleby's on the job
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Monk~koknee
7:55 Sun Aug 31
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There is no doubt in my mind that the UK is deeply elitist (and it is not just about money). The question becomes whether you believe this is acceptable or not. In my opinion I think it reinforces the 'living on past glories of empire' that still prevails in Britain.
Of course, it doesn't mean that people cannot be very successful self-made businessman but the right school/ university/ family continues to have a disproportional sway in areas of real power and influence in the major institutions of government, judiciary and media.
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mashed in maryland
7:47 Sun Aug 31
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Well yeah but that's just how the world works.
What's the best way to get a job? Have a mate who works there.
Just how it is, but on a bigger scale.
Calling the UK "deeply elitist" is so misleading, when some of the richest people in this country are completely self made and started out from fuck all.
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Sven Roeder
7:44 Sun Aug 31
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Is it a sign that these are the smartest & the best & deserving of their positions?
Not really
It's about opportunity & these institutions looking after their own.
As has been mentioned the area of internships & work experience in big business & probably more so in the media is a key one.
Everyone knows about the bosses son or someone's mate from the golf club getting the opportunity or that being able to work unpaid to get in the door is the privilege of the privileged.
As usual the people who are part of the in-crowd don't see the free ride they are getting.
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mashed in maryland
7:28 Sun Aug 31
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"Have versus have not" will always happen though.
We have it a fuck sight easier in the UK than 90% of the countries in the world.
There are developed countries where being born in the wrong social class in the wrong area literally rules you out of anything but abject poverty and suffering your whole life unless you are extremely lucky.
It may have been like that over here in the 1950s but it's not any more.
Just cos all the top bods in government and journalism are Eton/Harrow toffs it isn't a sign that the UK is somehow extremely unfair and full of inequality,
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stomper
5:28 Sat Aug 30
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You have more. You are born with more. You don't understand people who have less. You assume that people who have less choose to work less, choose to have less, and choose to hitch a ride on the backs of the deserving rich.
If you don't believe this, take a walk through the classics departments that these people graduated from.
Or watch Downton abbey
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mashed in maryland
5:13 Sat Aug 30
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Not exactly groundbreakingly new or unbelievable is it.
You pays more, you gets more.
Simples.
The way of the world wherever you are, pinning this down to the UK is lazy as fuck.
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les marteaux
3:05 Fri Aug 29
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:17 Thu Aug 28
."" See how many asian/black women newsreaders there are and contrast .....""
Yes but i really like Reeta Chackrabarti, a fine mix of asian ethnicity and a posh voice.
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Alvin
2:43 Fri Aug 29
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So what we gonna do about it?
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Serious Drinking
2:11 Fri Aug 29
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Ashley Banjo will be gutted.
"I wana be a judge, innit."
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